tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4359768134121369324.post2148831303216014633..comments2023-09-01T05:45:10.958-04:00Comments on American Patriot: Blog War: Response To Broletariat (Part II)The Patriothttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15959310446519357593noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4359768134121369324.post-55889390280370186412011-04-12T10:04:36.634-04:002011-04-12T10:04:36.634-04:00No, he works with me.No, he works with me.The Patriothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15959310446519357593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4359768134121369324.post-54870960732088357102011-04-10T17:55:48.778-04:002011-04-10T17:55:48.778-04:00I really like Akiles. He beats me to the punch tho...I really like Akiles. He beats me to the punch though. Do you have an inter-web-blog in the ol' blog-o-sphere?factoseintoleranthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16275880485167095750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4359768134121369324.post-59348356190083673562011-04-08T12:53:10.278-04:002011-04-08T12:53:10.278-04:00We agree, factoseintolerant.
Now for Akiles:
Your...We agree, factoseintolerant.<br /><br />Now for Akiles:<br />Your mind is stuck at turn of last century business tactics. You probably think that there are still sweatshops with all sorts of safety and human rights violations, too. <br />The point is, regulations are there to stop abuses of the environment and competitive free market system sees to it that environment is treated responsibly in order to maximize long term profits. <br /><br />The point about the rain forests was made because the post I responded to blamed capitalism for destroying them. If that was true, then the pacific northwest would look like a desert by now!<br /><br />EPA painstakingly goes over statistics on recycling, air and water quality, etc. and states what we have improved/accomplished. You take that to mean we are not better off than in 1970? Hmmmm….<br /><br />I agree that all policies should be neutral. However, your comment insinuates that wealth is transferred from bottom up. Exactly what do you mean by that? (I can think of occasions that can happen – poor legislation like ethanol subsidies)<br /><br />What does money in politics have to do with the Tea Party? That is in response to corruption in politics, not a symptom of it.<br /><br />As for regulations, my point is that we have nearly 70,000 pages of it with a portion of it being unnecessary, nanny state type stuff. You cannot completely deregulate or else there will be other costs as you say. I am going to post an article for you, outlining the logic behind my assertion that deregulation, in the case of the housing collapse, was greatly the result of government social policies. It will be too long to explain here.<br /><br />Bondholders of GM and Chrysler took a risk, knowing well that if these companies failed, they would have recourse under our legal system. I am not talking average Joe on the street here. I am talking about the major groups that financed the companies. They were screwed, plain and simple. <br /><br />So, Akiles, if American companies buy oil at $110, what do the Europeans pay? $220? By your account, they would have to in order to have gasoline at over 2x the U.S. prices. You say shipping? Europeans should have lower shipping costs as well. So, explain it away, if you can.<br /><br />I am mad at past few presidents, Republican or Democrat. The difference however is that it is the more progressive ones that do not want anything to do with fossil fuels and pile regulation after regulation to impede drilling more.The Patriothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15959310446519357593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4359768134121369324.post-22748904786002834962011-04-07T21:43:51.830-04:002011-04-07T21:43:51.830-04:00However, when a movement takes on terroristic tact...However, when a movement takes on terroristic tactics to stop activities like responsible logging <br />Really? Poor companies... they have the best interest at heart.<br /><br />Moreover, destruction of rain forests has nothing to do with free markets or capitalism. If it did, totalitarian countries (like the former USSR, PRC, North Korea, etc.) would have the best environments – yet they are/were the most polluted hell holes you could imagine. <br />What kind of logic is this? No one has claimed that totalitarian countries have better environments. If anything they have the worst ones because of lack of regulation and indiscriminate exploitation.<br /><br />Even the EPA says we are environmentally cleaner than 40 years ago<br />No, they did not say that. They said -in short- that we are doing more, but the extend of their argument ends there -in other words, if you have polluted at an increasing rate for 50 years and the rate of "cleaning" has increased at half the speed, true you are doing more, but you're still behind. We are probably doing more because there is more regulation and awareness.<br /><br />Government policy should not be for bringing about social change in a free society<br />Agreed. Government policy should not be used to transfer wealth from the bottom to the top, thus changing the social strata in a society either.<br /><br />Due to human nature, money in politics has corrupted our political process<br />True. Agreed. For an example, just look at the birth of the tea party movement.<br /><br />As more and more onerous regulations are piled up, cost of doing business goes way up. Case in point, in 2008, regulations were estimated to cost $1.75 trillion to the U.S. economy<br />First off -the source. Really? Second, even if I was going to accept your point about the cost of regulations, how much does "de-regulation" cost? Please, pray tell? At the very least 5T in bailouts, 5M jobs... but hey, who's counting, so as long as we let corporations do whatever they want? Like borrow leverage over 25x their assets and then let the gvmt pick up the tab. The irony of it all, is that this is coming from someone who once cried for "mark-to-fantasy". Bravo: let's reduce corporation costs so that they can make more money on my back and we will also pick up the tab. I'm not even counting the lost of revenue by individuals, loss of capital, etc. And don't be too surprised when the remaining $60T of shadow assets hit the fan -yeah, the ones you wanted marked-to-fantasy. Deregulate away!!!<br />Back to the article, are you really going to use that as evidence? They claim 1.75T but can only come up with examples that can't even sum up to 0.2T? And would you please look at what those "costs" are? I.e.: "Limits on “effluent” discharges from construction" Are you kidding? So let's just let them destroy everything in their path so they can save a dime?<br />That study is a joke.<br /><br />My opinion about the bailouts is not favorable (especially untenable ones like the auto manufacturers). <br />At least you didn't say "Obama is screwing the bondholders" -the bondholders being the morons that bought assets of dead companies at the close of the previous day from the expected announcement.<br /><br />Regarding gasoline, it is expensive all over Europe. They buy it at the same price (whatever the spot market price happens to be)<br />I don't think this is correct. This is a very complicated issue. If I was you, I would not even touch it. You have to deal with shipping and future prices of 1) the commodity itself and the refined product. Of course, I'm sure you are well aware of this, as you know it all.<br /><br />You bet I am mad at our energy policies. Past few presidents have all slept at the wheel<br />Yet you did not cry "bloody murder" until Obama became the president. I guess you were asleep too.Akileshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11467758519940294304noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4359768134121369324.post-19786686408705918322011-04-06T19:09:22.036-04:002011-04-06T19:09:22.036-04:00On the subject of term limits and campaigns, you w...On the subject of term limits and campaigns, you will hear no arguments from me. There was never supposed to be "lifetime" politicians, but the job is so cozy (not sure if thats the word I want, but it'll do) that people don't want to leave.factoseintoleranthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16275880485167095750noreply@blogger.com